tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post5719760012870850625..comments2024-03-28T03:39:41.417-07:00Comments on Beyond the Black Gate: Looking ForwardAlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-27270814622385241102011-07-10T11:56:39.081-07:002011-07-10T11:56:39.081-07:00“Simply because the hobby is not popular enough an...“<i>Simply because the hobby is not popular enough anymore to support a company on the sales of single (or even triple) rulebooks alone.</i>”<br /><br />D&D has never been the primary breadwinner at Wizards. It doesn’t need to support the company.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733274876782876659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-78857420567922362482011-07-05T00:01:43.681-07:002011-07-05T00:01:43.681-07:00"4E and 3E (or Pathfinder, as it is now calle..."4E and 3E (or Pathfinder, as it is now called heh) are brilliant money makers! "<br /><br />I don't think they are very brilliant money makers at all. I think they are desperate grabs at revenue from a dying business plan. It is possible that the best thing that could happen would be the collapse of that business plan entirely so a new crop of innovative creatives can fill the vacuum left behind with fresh new ideas and products.<br /><br />I think Burning Wheel (and Mouseguard RPG in particular) are brilliant glimpses into the future of the pen & paper RPG "industry" And of course the OSR in general.Thomas Denmarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135075012362548876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-78228538411111000682011-06-29T11:36:13.912-07:002011-06-29T11:36:13.912-07:00Technically you could run Pathfinder from the refe...Technically you could run Pathfinder from the reference document (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/) which does have one of the coolest monster makers I have ever seen. That said, I enjoyed Pathfinder more when it was more easily run with the core a bestiary or two although I thumbed through the Gamemastery Guide and found it to be one of the most useless rpg books ever made.<br /><br />And all of that said, I still prefer oldschool rpgs, but sometimes you need to compromise with the group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-78090264195803689932011-06-29T04:57:05.536-07:002011-06-29T04:57:05.536-07:00@lemuriapress :)@lemuriapress :)Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-36499446721195728732011-06-28T21:26:15.621-07:002011-06-28T21:26:15.621-07:00There are no attacks of opportunity in the Beginne...There are no attacks of opportunity in the Beginner Box.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-11120112848644503372011-06-28T18:34:09.415-07:002011-06-28T18:34:09.415-07:00@lemuriapress "That Bestiary 2 monster is ava...@lemuriapress "That Bestiary 2 monster is available for free online as part of the Pathfinder Reference Document at paizo.com, btw."<br /><br />Ok, I guess you've got me there Erik!I'm still mad about the Arcane splat though ;) Use executive veto to make sure there aren't any AoO's in the Pathfinder Basic Set, and we'll call it even (nudge nudge)...Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-78220473438190761122011-06-28T18:30:30.326-07:002011-06-28T18:30:30.326-07:00@Ambient Dust "I could see Wizards releasing ...@Ambient Dust "I could see Wizards releasing a version of D&D that is simply called Dungeons & Dragons, hyping it up as the "classic experience.""<br /><br />I am surprised we haven't seen a "Classic D&D" vanity product from Hasbro yet, especially given all the other "classic" versions of boardgames I see lately from various companies. I got a "classic" Risk set with wooden blocks a year or so ago, for instance.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-1404409691752142442011-06-28T18:27:25.106-07:002011-06-28T18:27:25.106-07:00@James "And I'd enjoy watching a bunch of...@James "And I'd enjoy watching a bunch of "New School" DIY'ers, follow the trail we're blazing"<br /><br />I do wonder if there will be 4E 'retroclones' sometime in the future.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-66860936832331406792011-06-28T17:53:44.323-07:002011-06-28T17:53:44.323-07:00That Bestiary 2 monster is available for free onli...That Bestiary 2 monster is available for free online as part of the Pathfinder Reference Document at paizo.com, btw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-91268460032793837962011-06-28T17:04:30.684-07:002011-06-28T17:04:30.684-07:00Personally, I liked to see D&D 'go away...Personally, I liked to see D&D 'go away'...then it will all be 'old school'. ; )<br /><br />I agree, Hasbro isn't likely to do a 5e, but they already have their next business plan in place: the boardgames (...Ravenloft, ...Ashardalon, forthcoming 'Drizzt', and the new 'Dungeon of Dread' which mentions a player taking on the role of the Dungeon Master-where have I heard that before?) They only wanted the IP, anyway, yeah?Hawkmansdaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04113828607067318291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-66143934411612633492011-06-28T10:52:39.139-07:002011-06-28T10:52:39.139-07:004e did not sell well. 5e will happen when Hasbro l...4e did not sell well. 5e will happen when Hasbro licenses the IP to a mildly interested third party, which will then produce a run-of-the-mill fantasy heartbreaker.sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13785912272902529200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-61418941978021601282011-06-28T10:05:55.893-07:002011-06-28T10:05:55.893-07:00I have a gigantic stack of rpg books back to Holme...I have a gigantic stack of rpg books back to Holmes. But if the industry imploded, I have the only 3 books I need to run games til the cows come home--PHB, DMG, MM, or I could strip it even closer to the bone and run b/x out of moldvay/cook, or Mentzer. Love having a million modules and more recent iterations, but none are neccessary, not even close. Hell, I just keep a few charts for mechanical processes and an encounter key and a map on a couple of pieces of paper and roll with that. We don't even crack a book except to check spell or magical item descriptions 99% of games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-74843553274770736522011-06-28T08:49:25.425-07:002011-06-28T08:49:25.425-07:00See, that's the thing James. We don't need...See, that's the thing James. We don't need the industry anymore.<br /><br />Virtually anything someone can say we need them for is non-essential. We can soldier on.<br /><br />Look at the magazine concept for example. Not only are there some damn fine zines being published right now but when you look at blogging as a 21st century version of the fanzine and with comments it becomes the old 'round robin' concept the mass is huge.<br /><br />I think the 'industry' is finished and I'm so glad. When it caved in the 90's I left tabletop behind. It is the OSR and the Indie movements that brought me back. And I'm not interested in just keeping the status quo. I live in a college town. 4 colleges to be exact. And I don't talk about what I'm working on most of the time due to time constraints (I can post about it or do it...not both) but my whole aim is to grow the base. If that means turning them on to free stuff, great. And some might become interested in a low cost system. Excellent.<br /><br />The quality of the work keeps rising out here. Wouldn't it be funny if all these people that keep leaving the 'industry' that we have respect for caught on to what we are doing and joined us?<br /><br />Now, that my friend, is the ultimate last laugh. :)xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17814063435676111475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-44803880443083372222011-06-28T08:35:00.466-07:002011-06-28T08:35:00.466-07:00Great post, nothing much to add but I will say tha...Great post, nothing much to add but I will say that if WOTC puts out a 5th ed so soon after the 4th ed fiasco, then I think they'll doom the "brand".bliss_infintehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12433733609487959653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-75959854018065280752011-06-28T08:34:34.980-07:002011-06-28T08:34:34.980-07:00There is a huge trend lately of rebooting franchis...There is a huge trend lately of rebooting franchises, I.P.'s, classic movie series and video games. Re envisioning just what the spirit of the subject is. They use classic titles, sometimes even just the original, such as the new Mortal Kombat (actually Mortal Kombat 9).<br /><br />I could see Wizards releasing a version of D&D that is simply called Dungeons & Dragons, hyping it up as the "classic experience." With more and more franchises reverting to their roots, I could see Wizards doing this. Maybe not a full blown edition, more of a spin-off or standalone without too many supplements.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389490474361333127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-84463075694660543542011-06-28T08:03:30.877-07:002011-06-28T08:03:30.877-07:00We have got a lot of discussions about this topic ...We have got a lot of discussions about this topic on the OSRItalia forum during the last few days. Honestly, I think that Hasbro is unlikely to try again with D&D after the "4e incident".<br /><br />Looking foreword to GenCon to see what will happen, anyway.Il Male™https://www.blogger.com/profile/02699384706214815033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-57091981378293388102011-06-28T07:49:16.994-07:002011-06-28T07:49:16.994-07:00" ...but I suspect future products will resem...<i>" ...but I suspect future products will resemble that game less and less as the years go by, as opposed to more."</i><br /><br />Not the products I buy. :)<br /><br />I don't want to see the "industry" collapse, but if it does, we grass roots hobbyists will carry on, just fine. <br /><br />And I'd enjoy watching a bunch of "New School" DIY'ers, follow the trail we're blazing.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192212467523179768noreply@blogger.com