tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post8866304664223794872..comments2024-03-28T03:39:41.417-07:00Comments on Beyond the Black Gate: Edition Loyalty, Edition WarAlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-48774741926038362222010-04-02T09:27:31.627-07:002010-04-02T09:27:31.627-07:00@ THOMAS -
ONOS! I LOST THE BOX! I ARE NOT PLAYIN...@ THOMAS - <br />ONOS! I LOST THE BOX! I ARE NOT PLAYING D&D NOWZ?<br />ALSO,HOW ARE I TO USE THE BOX AT THE TABLE OF GAME? PLEASE WRITE 3 PAGE BLOG POST ON THIS TO ALLOW MUCH COMMENTS OF TWADDLE.<br /><br />THNAK U<br /><br />:PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-56634570670144631452010-03-30T09:11:03.867-07:002010-03-30T09:11:03.867-07:00I'm about as anti 4Ed as any Grognard, but I h...I'm about as anti 4Ed as any Grognard, but I have to grudgingly admit I have found myself liking a few of the new rules and if I had t make any recommendation it wouldn't be 4.0's PHB, DMG or MM. but the quick start rules you can download for free at WOTC's site. Minus all the powers feats and other obnoxious crap like the Dragonborn, I think it covers all the rule changes an old school gamer might be interested--but don't quote me!crowkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066821931343968827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-6425257983673124262010-03-26T16:11:56.408-07:002010-03-26T16:11:56.408-07:00If you are not playing using the original wood gra...If you are not playing using the original wood grained box set, and I mean only the 3 LBB's and no supplements, you are not really playing D&D!<br /><br /><br />(just in case you couldn't tell, I kid)Thomas Denmarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135075012362548876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-44377506487031635352010-03-26T15:58:15.892-07:002010-03-26T15:58:15.892-07:00I own and have played every edition of *D&D an...I own and have played every edition of *D&D and the Retro clones, near clones and enspired by clones out there. <br /><br />They are all fun. <br /><br />Isn't that what it's about, having fun?Timothy S. Brannanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02923526503305233715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-58103643141053116422010-03-26T12:06:20.915-07:002010-03-26T12:06:20.915-07:00The human desire for consensus is an old, old inst...The human desire for consensus is an old, old instinct from when we were social plains apes. It's so ingrained in some people that when someone they don't know, and whom they will never meet, states an opinion or preference contrary to their own they will flip in a paroxysm of nerd rage. <br /><br />The only drawback I see of so many different editions is sometimes it gets hard to get a playgroup going with everybody you'd want. My own local game-o-sphere includes avowed 4E players, a contigent of oldskoolers whom I am pleased to be gaming with, and a few who insist on anything BUT D&D. I'd love to sit at them all at the same table, but sadly ya can't please all of the people all of the time.BigFellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052419088140204154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-17842964836066375812010-03-26T08:35:36.525-07:002010-03-26T08:35:36.525-07:00I'd like to add to the amen chorus here. I gre...I'd like to add to the amen chorus here. I grew up with 1e (I started with Holmes, but the ref never let me look at the book) and truthfully I don't much like it- more power to those that do, though. However, I really dig 0e/S&W WB, but ironically enough I was put off it at first, because I was told from a variety of different sources that 0e and old school game in general were more about imagination- and there always seemed to be the sly insinuation (and sometimes not so sly, really) that people playing newer editions or games were some how deficient in this regard. The message seemed to be, "real gamers, with real imaginations are playing the old games; new games are for the feeble minded and unimaginative," when, imo, it should have been, "Hey try this, or take a second look at it, you might dig it." I came on line late, though, and missed the first rounds of the 1e/2e vs 3e edition wars so I really lacked the context to properly judge where old school gamers were coming from (i.e. weathering years of bullshit talk about gaming "evolution"). So I was unable to understand all the hostility. Which is something we should all consider maybe, not everyone reading what we write has the background to understand where we're coming from, and what may seem, to some, like a justified strike back, may seem to others like baseless aggression.Aoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00145284080419502886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-88759351385611338182010-03-25T16:58:37.747-07:002010-03-25T16:58:37.747-07:00From the man himself:
"It's true, and yo...From the man himself:<br /><br />"It's true, and you don't need me to confirm it, Necro has been dormant for some time. The 4E thing didn't go as planned for lots of reasons. It's too bad, but it is what it is. Now that Pathfinder seems to be the best game out there (my opinion, not trying to start some war, you all can play what you want and don't need me to tell you what to do), the problem becomes one of where things are at. For Bill and I we are both at such different places now than we were a few years ago. I'm not sure that running Necro again is viable for us. So dont expect a full scale Necro revival. I just don't see it. <br /><br />That said, we have some goals:<br /><br />1. Bill and I are working with Steve at DTRPG to get print on demand of Necro products. <br />2. I am talking with Erik Mona and I would love to find a way to do a Tome of Horrors, Pathfinder Edition. I've even mentioned it to Scott. But this is real preliminary. <br />3. One day I'd like to write adventures again, likely for Pathfinder. But I have nothing in the works currently. <br /><br />That is where things are at. <br /><br />The Necro fans rule. You long term ones are really the best. Thanks to everyone. Not bowing out, just updating<br /><br />Clark"Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-14661527028634961032010-03-25T16:54:17.083-07:002010-03-25T16:54:17.083-07:00@Akrasia/Blair: Sad to say, Clark was very clear t...@Akrasia/Blair: Sad to say, Clark was very clear that he was speaking wholly of his house game, not of any publishing prospects.<br /><br />It would be nice to see Necro back in the publishing game, regardless of edition, but I don't think its in the cards. At the most, we might get a "Pathfinderized" version of the OGL Tome of Horrors (of dubious usefulness to anyone who already has the 3.0 version, or the 3.5 version). As far as the much desired Sword of Air, Treasure Maps, or Tegel Manor goes, I must reign in my usual optimism.<br /><br />That said, I'm a big fan of surprises! ;)Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-64814916816808338942010-03-25T15:54:14.806-07:002010-03-25T15:54:14.806-07:00Lets hear some hooting and hollering about Necroma...Lets hear some hooting and hollering about Necromancer Games getting back in the game!<br /><br />I'm looking forward to what they're going to put out next!Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884401206802336531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-14123541008715049392010-03-25T15:38:25.106-07:002010-03-25T15:38:25.106-07:00The stakes of such 'declarations' are diff...The stakes of such 'declarations' are different when made by a third-party publisher. Petersen was declaring the future direction of Necromancer Games, not simply revealing his own game preferences. As such, such a declaration is helpful to current and potential customers.<br /><br />As for myself, I am a victim of gamer's ADD, so I could never commit to one system "uber alles".Akrasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08734103159691571156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-17497971576319145472010-03-25T12:55:33.650-07:002010-03-25T12:55:33.650-07:00Like Frost, I have to admit I was upset when I fir...Like Frost, I have to admit I was upset when I first saw what WotC was doing with 4th edition. The truth is, things that I used to enjoy - like heading down to my flgs to check out the new D&D releases or hitting the newsstand for Dungeon and Dragon magazines - well...I'm sure you get the point. <br /><br />I felt...I don't know, left behind, I guess. But that was before I discovered Jeff's Gameblog and, through that, the (mostly friendly) OSR community. So, in retrospect, the release of 4th edition ended up being a good thing for me. <br /><br />I understand how ridiculous and pointless the edition wars are, I really do. But I remember what it was like to feel like something I loved was being taken away, so I also understand why some people feel disenfranchised. Is it rational? Not really. But neither are human beings, most of the time.nextautumnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201978755112508204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-85619904554916348092010-03-25T12:00:14.937-07:002010-03-25T12:00:14.937-07:00Amen. I'm far too fickle to declare eternal lo...Amen. I'm far too fickle to declare eternal loyalty to any one game. I'm glad that I don't have to. As a GM, I'm going to choose a given system based on a) how it supports what I'm trying to do in a particular game and b) if I can get any players for it. As a player, it all comes down to what my favorite GMs are running. I'll *play* anything with a good GM.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635116929490398699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-34322499922180804522010-03-25T11:44:59.228-07:002010-03-25T11:44:59.228-07:00I've settled on one game, Labyrinth Lord, beca...I've settled on one game, Labyrinth Lord, because I just don't have the time to divide my efforts. But I'd sure love to play some S&W White Box, some 1e AD&D, and probably at least sample some others more often.<br /><br />I'm not really into the more recent editions, but I certainly wouldn't mind trying them out.Lord Kilgorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08100447170529010062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-68666805158794730252010-03-25T10:38:27.744-07:002010-03-25T10:38:27.744-07:00No wonder muscled men who work out in gyms think w...<em>No wonder muscled men who work out in gyms think we need a life.</em><br /><br />Less acting like dumbbells and more lifting them! :DAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457050225967190052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-48612104103352687022010-03-25T10:30:34.996-07:002010-03-25T10:30:34.996-07:00Yep, I agree, Al. Back before 4e was officially r...Yep, I agree, Al. Back before 4e was officially released, but WotC was releasing previews, I have to admit I was upset at the changes made. In hindsight, that was silly. The problem lies in that the name "D&D" has been applied to so many different rule sets, that some folks can get defensive about how it's applied.<br /><br />What really put things into perspective for me was a post some guy made at ENWorld stating that folks should start seeing each edition as a game in its own right. Once I took on that mindset, I saw the stupidity of the edition wars.<br /><br />If you want to play 4e, go ahead. How does that change my 3.5 campaign? Why should I be bothered if someone likes LL over C&C?Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13657267349612977629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-55062579814261289452010-03-25T10:17:57.378-07:002010-03-25T10:17:57.378-07:00Let me tell you something. This whole thing about ...Let me tell you something. This whole thing about D&D -- 4th ed and 3rd ed, first ed, second ed, original ed; plain and simply boils down to preference. I simply do not understand it. We need to unify as a gaming culture; not break apart over which game is the best.<br /><br />Simply stupid. No wonder muscled men who work out in gyms think we need a life. :(Eltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12111706553184455710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-18621064428310080022010-03-25T10:16:35.439-07:002010-03-25T10:16:35.439-07:00Whoa, let's try that again...
If I'm ever...Whoa, let's try that again...<br /><br />If I'm ever in a musical band, I'll push for the name to be, Gaming Switzerland.<br />---FTW! :D<br /><br />Yeah, really.<br />--Who cares about those who are so off their rockers as to decry an individual's choice of games?<br />---Nuts. And I mean that in a purely clinical sense. :)Timeshadowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09952601433965644275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-24844359954003209982010-03-25T10:14:57.063-07:002010-03-25T10:14:57.063-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Timeshadowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09952601433965644275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-72464337879494023752010-03-25T10:11:27.872-07:002010-03-25T10:11:27.872-07:00Yeah, I definitely agree. We don't do that sor...Yeah, <a href="http://robertsongames.com/role-playing-games/schools-out" rel="nofollow">I definitely agree</a>. We don't do that sort of thing with our boardgames... so why would we keep doing that with our RPGs?<br /><br />I can see getting more into a game, or getting tired of it for a while... but the factionalism of "my favorite game" vs "your favorite game" really feels silly now. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457050225967190052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-7105053747440248562010-03-25T09:59:10.513-07:002010-03-25T09:59:10.513-07:00I don't see the point in doing so either. Sadl...I don't see the point in doing so either. Sadly most declarations are accompanied by condemnations. It need not be that way, but often is. I can’t stand jigsaw puzzles, but don’t fault those who enjoy them. Your life, your time, your actions, try not to make a mess of it.Padrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05722958681098483324noreply@blogger.com