tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post1400908757064281162..comments2024-03-28T03:39:41.417-07:00Comments on Beyond the Black Gate: Moldvay - Your character doesn't know thatAlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-60613987978169727202018-12-09T23:41:23.973-08:002018-12-09T23:41:23.973-08:00They may not be the food he's looking at.
Com...They may not be the food he's looking at.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Save-on-Energy" rel="nofollow">Compare Electric Rates</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Electricity-Bill-Calculation-USA" rel="nofollow">Compare electric rates Texas</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Electricity-Bill-Calculation-USA" rel="nofollow">Commercial Texas electric rates</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Electricity-Bill-Calculation-USA" rel="nofollow">Compare electric TX</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Save-on-Energy" rel="nofollow">Compare Electric Rates</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Power-Setter" rel="nofollow">Texas Electric Rates</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Electric-Choice" rel="nofollow">Texas Electric Company</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com" rel="nofollow">Power to Choose</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/commercial" rel="nofollow">Compare Electric Plans</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Pay-Less-Power" rel="nofollow">Texas Electric Choice</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Save-on-Energy" rel="nofollow">Compare Electric Rates</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Power-to-Switch" rel="nofollow">Commercial Electric Rates Texas</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Electricity-Bill-Calculation-USA" rel="nofollow">Compare electric plans Texas</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Electricity-Bill-Calculation-USA" rel="nofollow">Power to choose commercial</a><br /><a href="https://www.choicegenie.com/Electricity-Bill-Calculation-USA" rel="nofollow">Commercial Electric Plans Texas</a>Compare Electric Rateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811260034015190682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-40147294889083793402012-03-05T11:32:43.146-08:002012-03-05T11:32:43.146-08:00I once played with a guy (he was not the DM) who w...I once played with a guy (he was not the DM) who would call you out on even your most basic assumptions - anything the DM did not explicitly tell you was likely to meet with, "Your character wouldn't know that!" Almost every out of combat action turned into an argument. "Why don't you trust Evil McBadguy? He may be standing there twirling his moustache, but you don't know that he's a villain." "Why would you wear your armor to Evil McBadguy's foreboding mansion - he just invited us for a social visit." "Why would you break that big red glowing gem - your character wouldn't know what a Lich's phylactery is."<br /><br />I think most of the other players wanted to throttle him by the end of the session - i certainly did. Luckily, it was just a Con game.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13904797552624746980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-70038574754255028582012-03-03T06:04:21.900-08:002012-03-03T06:04:21.900-08:00I have an idea that a good adventure has enough va...I have an idea that a good adventure has enough variability in the possible outcomes that having played the adventure before doesn't help. This isnt to say that players should be allowed to act on prior knowledge, but that a good adventure has built in hedges against it. <br /><br />Freedom for the players to act, freedom the DM to act, randomness in encounters, non-linear dungeons and wandering monsters all have that effect. Puzzles, riddles, and other problems where there's a single solution tend to give an advantage to prior knowledge, hence they're not my favorite things to include in dungeons. <br /><br />I always figured it was a good thing if two groups could sit at tables next to each other, play the same adventure and not be able to tell.Air Dominance Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05226097944494976185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-43936877438678678072012-02-27T18:24:19.582-08:002012-02-27T18:24:19.582-08:00I think this is mainly a problem of experience pla...I think this is mainly a problem of experience player with newbie character. <br /><br />In my experience, the player can usually come up with some reason why his character would act on the player knowledge: I had a potion, now I don't, I wonder if the party Thief took it so I ask everyone to turn out their bags and pockets. All this knowing that the party Thief passed the DM a note, rolled percentiles, and the DM asked for your character sheet - all shortly before you discovered your potion missing. <br /><br />As for an experienced player with a newbie character, I this this is more of a distinction between gameplay as player skill vs. gameplay as role-playing. I can see a campaign where an experienced player says "Hey guys I think these things are undead, try to turn them" when he knows full well they're Ghouls. I can also see a campaign where the player says "Eew, gross grey Goblins, let's try to just intimidate our way out of this" even though he knows they're Ghouls. In the former the player enjoys the benefits of experience. In the latter the player pretends at inexperience and enjoys the roleplaying opportunity. And I think both players sound great. But maybe if Player A is in a group of all Player Bs and the DM is a B, that might cause friction. <br /><br />Finally, I think it's silly for a DM to say "you wouldn't do that" or offer some game penalty for the player acting out of character. The DM controls the whole dang world and each player just has his own character to make decisions about. Let them play, for god's sake, let them play or they will leave you alone with your toys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-44348938499744368262012-02-27T14:08:54.461-08:002012-02-27T14:08:54.461-08:00I also remember a time that, despite a small dilem...I also remember a time that, despite a small dilemma over the situation on my part, the DM was totally OK with my using player knowledge of what Nereid's do if you get their veil, even though I was playing a Hengeyokai martial artist. Crane spirits know all about faux-Grecian mythology, right?Jaysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03652611193354218021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-23920493517223379592012-02-27T13:42:43.049-08:002012-02-27T13:42:43.049-08:00Probably our best work in this arena was "A b...Probably our best work in this arena was "A bodak, you say? *roll roll* Our characters have never heard of such a thing, despite our out-of-game knowledge that it will kill us all with its gaze. Well... I guess we charge it." I survived... the rest of the party was not so fortunate.jedavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08586249502818922886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-38838966798221234972012-02-27T12:15:32.948-08:002012-02-27T12:15:32.948-08:00I am really liking this Moldvay series.I am really liking this Moldvay series.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12322277079412587741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-2675514529228523302012-02-27T10:43:41.645-08:002012-02-27T10:43:41.645-08:00Generally I find people do the opposite - they ben...Generally I find people do the opposite - they bend over backwards to avoid using out-of-game knowledge. They'll say, my character probably doesn't know that fire kills trolls, so I won't use fire on it. My character doesn't know Mike's guy is bleeding to death behind that door, so I won't look behind the door. Etc. Had the person not known at all, they might have done that anyway.<br /><br />For this reason, I try to err on the side of letting people use out-of-game information if they can come up with even a thin explanation of how they'd know it in-game. Otherwise it's too painful to watch people self-hamstring to avoid being unfair.Peter Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246000382321978462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-25195828594749347352012-02-27T09:45:35.927-08:002012-02-27T09:45:35.927-08:00Most people I've played with have been pretty ...Most people I've played with have been pretty good about that--although my current campaign's party is obviously VERY diligent about bringing each other up to speed when necessary. :-)Jaysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03652611193354218021noreply@blogger.com