tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post6863588016252383803..comments2024-03-28T03:39:41.417-07:00Comments on Beyond the Black Gate: Elric - the Decadent EmpireAlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-70530480590820837852011-07-23T22:19:42.886-07:002011-07-23T22:19:42.886-07:00As Akrasia said, existence isn't destroyed; th...As Akrasia said, existence isn't destroyed; the world is essentially set to Restart at the end of the Saga, which is a bit different.<br /><br />@Durn - I would never tell someone what they can like or dislike, but that assessment of his books comes across as pretty damn ignorant. Also, kind of blog-crapping, since Al obviously likes them. <br /><br />Re the topic: one thing I always felt was a complete failure of imagination were the Pan Tangians. They come across as nothing, really, to me; a third wheel in the Prehuman vs. Human conflict. They're human, but they like Chaos; they <i>also</i> live on an island; I don't know. Not interesting in their own right.<br /><br />That said, I think the decline and fall of Theleb Kaarna actually gets more interesting as I get older.Matthew Slepinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04056247825064943944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-85070229669143359502011-07-13T20:11:29.530-07:002011-07-13T20:11:29.530-07:00"My only dislike about the Elric series is th..."<i>My only dislike about the Elric series is that at the end, all of existence was destroyed. There was no final triumph of man, or even anything good happening.</i>"<br /><br />Well, the universe is remade (apparently our own), in which 'Law' is stronger than it was in the Young Kingdoms. So arguably some 'good' does happen!Akrasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08734103159691571156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-424480583231000152011-07-12T20:50:51.802-07:002011-07-12T20:50:51.802-07:00Moorcock is pretty much the same book no matter wh...Moorcock is pretty much the same book no matter which one you pick up. Its pretty repetitive, but I find I pick one up every once in a while and blarne through it.<br />@Kent, I would agree that Ouroboros is my preferred cosmic epic.Daren Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489012945692828480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-70800730995223250332011-07-12T19:49:43.206-07:002011-07-12T19:49:43.206-07:00I liked Elric, Hawkmoon was Interesting, Erekosë w...I liked Elric, Hawkmoon was Interesting, Erekosë was who felt the most natural trying to determine his true nature after being John Daker in our life. My favorite, though, Corum Jhaelen Irsei was most definitely my most favorite of the incarnations of the Eternal Champion.woðborahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18063323987268849437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-88220242039148036832011-07-12T09:34:46.071-07:002011-07-12T09:34:46.071-07:00I've always been a fan of Elric. It's def...I've always been a fan of Elric. It's definitely not escapist fantasy fiction. It's dreadful, dark, and deals with difficult personal choices. For fantasy, it's a pretty deep series. And Kent, I enjoy Moorcock's direct writing style, although I understand it is not for everyone.RobChandlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07751057765555584823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-43393750065479526452011-07-12T08:46:22.828-07:002011-07-12T08:46:22.828-07:00I just like the attention.I just like the attention.Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165997449776226774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-76695608844191486932011-07-12T08:41:59.530-07:002011-07-12T08:41:59.530-07:00@Dan - I'm going to discuss this in another po...@Dan - I'm going to discuss this in another post, but I initially felt the same (though I thought it was a cool surprise). I've since formulated some difference opinions - there are some interesting implications, I think.<br /><br />@Kent - did you just cut and paste that from the last blog post? rofl.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-65775298475816715582011-07-12T07:51:58.130-07:002011-07-12T07:51:58.130-07:00I really liked the cyclic nature of the Eternal Ch...I really liked the cyclic nature of the Eternal Champion stories. When Elric sounds the Horn of Destiny, the old world dies and the new world begins. I'm a fan of Germanic and Norse mythology so this really holds to their cyclic world view. I felt it really had the whole "Twilight of the Gods" thing going for it.Xyanthonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07902260753434100101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-79749896476921620302011-07-12T07:34:16.158-07:002011-07-12T07:34:16.158-07:00My only dislike about the Elric series is that at ...My only dislike about the Elric series is that at the end, all of existence was destroyed. There was no final triumph of man, or even anything good happening.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04732052814850525574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3094937232522894470.post-92028181766734840222011-07-12T07:30:13.858-07:002011-07-12T07:30:13.858-07:00Moorcock writes well *about* fantasy and sci-fi bu...Moorcock writes well *about* fantasy and sci-fi but I found Elric unreadable after a few pages. i think his writing has no subtlety at all. He tells you what to think.<br /><br />I very quickly got fed up with [parody, but close enough to the text]<br /><br />Elric completely ignored X with great satisfaction. He was the best at ignoring people in the whole land having practiced much since his teens. Even more impressive was has thin smile, which often accompanied his bouts of ignoring. His thin smile was knowing and arch and left no doubt as to who had the loftiest and most expressive lips in the vicinity.<br /><br />I look forward to hearing if Moorcock left behind this stylistic pap at any point in the chronicles.Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165997449776226774noreply@blogger.com